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World Youth Day - 2008/07/02 21:17
Hi to everyone here

I'd like to start a discussion about World Youth (more like 5)Day(s), which is to be held in Sydney on Tuesday 15th - Sunday 20th July. In particular, I am interested in the powers granted to NSW police officers surrounding the event.

Yesterday I heard on television news that police will be able to fine individuals around $5500 for "annoying" or "offensive" (read: anti-Catholic) behaviour. Supporting clothing with annoying/offensive slogans was stated as an example of such behaviour (if only the rule applied to every guy I see wearing a F.B.I. - Female Body Inspector, or similar tee).

See related article here:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=590776

Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
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Re:World Youth Day - 2008/07/23 20:58
Hi Cat, nobody is biting so this was my take on the whole shebang. Its from a blog i contribute to which is http://thesubjectsofinterest.blogspot.com/ -

For those of you who live somewhere other than Australia you may not realise that Sydney recently become the epicentre of all things Catholic. World Youth Day, whatever it actually is, kicked off with a concert of truly biblical proportions. It featured the best Christian talent the Catholics could afford such as Guy Sebastian, Damien Leith (representing the Irish protestants) and Shannon Noll (yeah, me neither).

It has come at a time of dwindling sales for the organisation. Church attendance is down and conversions are at an all time low. Some are even claiming that the fastest growing faith in Western countries is ‘None’. Those that fit in the 'None' category being Atheist, Agnostic, Jedi, Wizard or just none of the above.

What this all says is that Catholicism, as well as some other notable religions, are about as popular as Windows Vista right now. Even a recent MySpace poll (so you know its reputable) has shown a vast number of youth feel the Church is out of touch. I guess they haven’t made their way to godtube.com yet................... Cause its really cool, man.

Down here in Australia it proved impossible to find any television station not devoting (pun intended) half their news time to the goings on of these pimply purveyors of papal prophesying. Behind every flustered reporter in the streets of Sydney were 300 of the little dears singing ‘God said to Noah’ at the top of their lungs. I guess we were all warned there was going to be a floody floody of pilgrims arriving on our shores.


Something that struck me as quite strange when watching this footage was all the flag flying going on. I couldn't help pondering to myself why the Nationalism on top of the Catholicism? Is it more prevalent for the faithful to feel the need to fit themselves into tidy little categories? Everyone likes to feel like they belong but these lot seem to crave belongingness like it was heroin . It would be an interesting thing to poll who are the most nationalistic people. I would bet my soul that it would be the faith based. Perhaps I should contact MySpace with the idea.

But what is this festival actually teaching us about the religion? What is it trying to convey to us in real terms? I cant help but think that part of this is just clever marketing to aid indoctrinating the youth which, lets face it, find little practicality or commonality with the faith at the moment. But how do parades and parties give the non-believers some insight into why people show up to Church each Sunday to do everything but have parades and parties. Showing us how nice people can behave in a festival atmosphere is hardly a cause for celebrating the faith. Who isn't happy when they don't have to go to work? I have seen the same camaraderie at a football clubs end of season Bali trip.

Another thing I noticed a lot from pilgrims was their consistent use of meaningless church lingo like “we are so blessed”or “filled with the spirit of the Lord” and most notable “spontaneous joy”. Spontaneous joy? What does that actually mean?

I guess in the end most people will say that it was lovely to see the young’uns not getting drunk and violent or sexting each other on their mobiles (look it up). But this kind of logic belongs to older people who think that this kind of stereotype is right on the money. But it isn’t people, it really isn’t. So we should not base the success of this week on the grounds that nothing nasty happened, because normally it doesn’t anyway. All these supposed good qualities that religion sell’s itself on are also found outside the religion in equal measure. They don’t own the patent on goodness. It is innately within us all despite our faith or lack thereof.

We would have been better off having a praise Mother Earth Week than this. Because let’s face it. Like our own Mothers, its puts up with a lot of shit from us.
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Re:World Youth Day - 2008/07/25 13:16
hey subjects of interest

great post - methinks you're right on da money with this one

Cheers
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Re:World Youth Day - 2008/07/27 21:20
All these supposed good qualities that religion sell’s itself on are also found outside the religion in equal measure. They don’t own the patent on goodness. It is innately within us all despite our faith or lack thereof.

We would have been better off having a praise Mother Earth Week than this. Because let’s face it. Like our own Mothers, its puts up with a lot of shit from us.



So true!
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Re:World Youth Day - 2008/07/31 00:39
Well we went into the city without getting a fine (look in the other thread). Yeah they pulled the thing off something like tuesday, or maybe it was just BS.

I forgot to mention, on the Friday protest my mates got staunched at by erh... persion/macedonian/greek/italian.. catholics..? They ran into the copshop, my mate was approached by them "Where did they go, we got this for 'em" *showes knife* So he points to the trainstation

so things got violent... lmao
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Re:World Youth Day - 2008/07/31 21:53
Yeah, there was actually another incident where one of the gay guys throwing condoms into the pilgrim's walk was bashed by two pilgrims. The police only stepped in after they'd finished bashing him. So there was definitely violence. That particular incident was lightly covered by ABC and a couple of other more alternative sources, but we saw nothing of it on mainstream media, needless to say. The pilgrims who bashed him were actually Aussie, from Newcastle. As a Novacastrian, I can't say that surprised me, terribly.
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