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Going Green - 2008/08/19 01:46
I've noticed a few discussions about so-called 'green' advertising and product claims around the place. The ACCC now has a website section to advise consumers about products making 'carbon claims' - http://accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/833197

Does anyone have any thoughts on the issue? If you feel environmentally conscious enough to shop for green/er products, how do you avoid being scammed? Is the whole idea of a 'green' mass-produced consumer good a scam in itself?

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Re:Going Green - 2008/08/19 18:14
The only change we've made in our household is to switch to energy saving lightbulbs. I figure I know that they're actually doing something!

To be honest I'd like to do more but I don't have the time to cut through the fat of all the bullshit thats out there now. It isnt half obvious that businesses are trying to make themselves look as green as possible. I stick to government initiatives and leave the other goods pretty much alone. It also seems to me that its a reason used to make more products more expensive.

Thanks for the link though! I'll definitely give it a read.
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Re:Going Green - 2008/08/20 11:20
I would look at these products and the return on investment you will receive by making the changes.

If you buy a water tank, how long before you get that outlay back with water bill savings. The same goes for solar panels.

Other than that i would suggest if you are looking at a specific product you need to be able to find reputable studies that have been conducted to prove their claims. You do this by contacting the business selling them. If they cannot point you to some paper somewhere then forget it.
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Re:Going Green - 2008/08/20 13:26
I think there are a couple of really simple things to consider when trying to go green.

Physically reduce consumption. No matter how green something is, there has always raw materials and energy incorporated into the product/service.

Deciding that you don’t need that product (or delaying the purchase) helps in terms of raw materials, packaging, transport for the product to get to the store and to your home.

I’ve heard the discussion “I bought a new car and it is more environmentally friendly because it uses less petrol”. That may be the case, but there is still the raw materials and energy to make that tonne of steel.

This is the main reason to be critical of green advertising. No advertising is saying “consume less”
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Re:Going Green - 2008/08/20 14:38
Katg wrote:


This is the main reason to be critical of green advertising. No advertising is saying “consume less”


That's a brilliant point! That, to me, is the ultimate confound of how our society faces the need to be green. We want to maintain our consuming, when that is actually the big problem - not just "what" we're consuming. On the one hand, there's this notion of becoming a green society, but it is completely undermined by the fact that we are becoming increasingly driven by consuming, and I don't see that changing. It's a huge psychological shift, it's a huge social shift, and we're still looking for ways to maintain our lifestyle, rather than change it. All the focus on the automobile industry, but have they done anything in response to the increasing popularity of oversized vehicles and SVU's? Of course, not. Sales of these vehicles have now gone up, and they're happy to promote that culture and make money off it. No business is going to be green, unless it really has to - and we're a people who tend to like having our cake and eating it too, so we're not going to make them - we actually expect them to do the work so that we don't have to, when realistically, it's the other way round. And so companies have now realised, "Well, if we can just look green, that will shut people up, and no money will be lost here, or any real changes be made to the business."
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Re:Going Green - 2008/08/20 17:52
Ah but we are also forgetting the new (dare i be cynical) marketing ploy. Offsetting.

I use steel beams for construction for my house instead of the more green friendly timber. The thing is that I got the steel locally whereas the timber was shipped. I have therefore offset the environmentally unfriendly steel by buying local and saving on the shipment environmental cost to the environment.

Cant you also offset with electricity bills now or something?
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